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Gaspard's avatar

Otherwise good essay, but Plato describes a better kind of city because, at the time, it was actually possible to found new cities, or to convince the tyrant of one to follow your ideas. He invents the genre of the utopia because he believed he could make something resembling it in the real world (the utopia resurfaces as a genre, in Italy, in the early 16th century, for a reason...). Read 'Laws', not Nietzsche's ordeal of civility with the philosophical tradition, if you want to know what Plato thought.

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Patrick D. Farley's avatar

Great essay and especially a great analysis on Freud. About 3/4 into it I got confused as to where all the talk of "faith, not logic" was suddenly coming from. Game theory is logical, I kept saying to myself, and under certain conditions civility is the game-theoretical optimal move. I think if you were not trying to force it to point to Christianity, you would agree that civility is a remarkable phenomenon and important step in human advancement, but is not like, metaphysically sacred

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Warren's avatar

Great job, well constructed argument. I've realized within the last few months I no longer have a fear of 'going up and talking to her' or confrontation with a bro about how much of a faggot he's being. I attribute this to raw milk and prayer. Health and humility generate bravery, it becomes easier to perthinact. It becomes what have I to lose: nothing. what have I to gain: everything. All that I have God has given. What's your bench press at these days and do you take creatine

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werther's avatar

Thank you. 180lbsx4 is my best, weighing about 165 pounds, 170 on a good day. No creatine yet, but I sure am thinking about it. Mayb we bulk this winter. We have nothing to lose and we have the entire world to gain

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Wallfacer's avatar

Very refreshing article, I think it addresses a key issue for lots of people who think by working on themselves everyone else will one day recognise this and everything will become easier. Interesting that you use high school as your example. For me high school offered more spontaneous opportunities to make friends with different groups of people so I never ran into this problem until later. When I did hit this barrier in the workplace though it seemed more insurmountable and I can really relate about recognising how fake everything was while just maintaining distance. I guess people are naturally more predisposed to being professional and neutral in work so if you never reach out to them then you end up suffering. I thought for a long time all the interesting people must have just disappeared after school until I forced myself to make an effort. But if I had never taken responsibility I could have ended up perpetually moving round searching for people that were there all along.

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Alex Toy's avatar

Egg report is my favorite writer on Substack and this essay dove deeper into some of his writings that helped me understand them deeper. It also stands on its own and it is fantastic. Thank you for writing this.

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Martin Eden's avatar

This is a very powerful essay that resonated strongly with me, I believe if we met in real life we would maybe be surprised on how similar our dispositions maybe and be good friends haha/.

I recently found a lot of Sam Hyde clips on YouTube, and he (as another once sensitive young man) now older and mature, also knows the trials and tribulation of what your describing , and what must be done.

I found this video to be powerful and related to what you are trying to encapsulate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxMs8JiJ2Y

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